The power of a career pivot

In this episode, we explore The Power of a Career Pivot with Trish Gillis—a Director and Senior Product Manager for CashPro at Bank of America whose journey proves that career paths don’t have to be linear to be impactful.

Starting out as an analytics expert, Trish took an unexpected leap into the fast-paced world of a beauty start-up, helping drive an extraordinary 800% annual growth and scaling the company to unicorn status. That bold pivot reshaped her perspective and unlocked a powerful blend of data-driven thinking and creative innovation.

Now back in the corporate space, Trish leads product innovation, user experience, and development for CashPro—Bank of America’s global digital banking platform. As one of thousands of inventors at the bank, she holds multiple patents and continues to push the boundaries of what’s possible in fintech.

We dive into what it really takes to pivot careers successfully, how to embrace risk and uncertainty, and why your most unconventional move might just be your most defining one.

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Transcript

Why Career Pivots Matter

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hello everyone, thank you for tuning in again. I am Kaylee Batesman, the Managing Director, Community and Partnerships at Sheikan Code, and today we're discussing the power of a career pivot. I've got the wonderful Trish Gillis with me today. She's a director and senior product manager for Cash Pro at the Bank of America. And she's here because one of her journeys, it proves that career paths don't have to be linear to be impactful. So we're going to dive into what it really takes to pivot careers successfully, how to embrace risk and uncertainty, and why your most unconventional move might just be your most defining one. Welcome, Trish. Thank you so much for joining us today. It's an absolute pleasure to have you on here. I'd have to start with a little bit about you, please. Just, you know, how you um got into your role at Bank of America, um, how you fell into tech. We'd love to hear a little bit to set the scene for our listeners, please.

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Hi, Kayleigh. Thank you so much for having me today. And would love to start um just sharing how I ended up here at Bank of America to bring it all the way back

Starting In Banking And Analytics

SPEAKER_00 1:07

to university. I studied very analytical fields. So my major was mathematical business with an economics minor. I really only was thinking about a career in financial services. And so I did start my career at a large banking institution in a development program, rotating positions every year. And what I found that when I started at that bank is that every year that I changed roles, and the more of my friends I talked to, it's all their careers, I think the more I realized just how many different types of jobs there were, whether it was within my sector or even more so outside of my sector. And I started getting very curious about how I could find more opportunities for my day-to-day that enriched me and combined more of my interests, my creativity, my desire for beauty, aesthetics, gaming, whatever have you, arts, culture, just really trying to find a full package that married my favorite parts of kind of who I've envisioned myself being into one. And I almost surprised myself by ending up sending a direct message on LinkedIn to the founder and CEO of the company, Glossier, when I was just watching the brand blossom from the sidelines and craving being part of the growth that I was witnessing. Biggest surprise to me was that I actually got a response a couple weeks after I sent that message and was asked to come in for an interview. And even a bigger surprise, I ended up getting a job opportunity where I was a senior global manager of supply chain at the company. After about two years of Glossier, seeing them continue on their great growth and even hitting a unicorn status in terms of hitting a billion-dollar valuation, I ended up returning to financial services. Again, probably me being the most surprised of all because I really thought I was on this creative endeavor, going to stay within that startup culture, really loving what I had experienced over the two years at Glossier. But I found an opportunity with Bank of America that really combines the financial institution knowledge I had at the start of my career and the client experience, client-first approach of the Glossier experience and getting to really innovate in a technological first way. Although for a at Glossier, it was for physical good. At Bank of America, it was for our Cash Pro app, which is the app of our digital banking and treasury management platform, Cash Pro. Those two parts of my background marrying into a perfect role within Bank of America was a huge surprise to me that it worked so seamlessly. The culture of Bank of America has been one that has been a really interesting blend of both of the large financial institutions, what you'd expect,

The Bold LinkedIn DM To Glossier

SPEAKER_00 4:40

as well as that really fun, innovative, quickly growing and changing experience I had at Glossier. And now, over six and a half years later, I am still loving my time here on the Cash Pro team. And now I am heading up our client experience engagement. So really, really excited to still be part of that tech world and leading the Cash Pro a lot of Cash Pro changes in the client experience space.

SPEAKER_01 5:10

Amazing. I never know what people are going to say and how they uh find their way into the tech industry is always so interesting. Everybody's journeys are so different, but everybody, everybody at some point ends up in the tech industry. And they usually say it's the best thing that happened to them, whether they fell into it or took a traditional path and might have you know studied a computer science degree. Um but you seem to know what what you wanted to do originally, you wanted to do finance and and you know ended up in fintech. How did that come about? Did somebody kind of push you in that direction, or did you just think that that's where you know I I can see there's been successful careers with good role models in that direction in finance? Like what kind of inspired you to think of that even as a young person?

SPEAKER_00 5:59

I think my experience where I grew up, a suburb of New York City, a commuting town where a lot of my friends' parents and even my own parents worked on Wall Street, really thinking, oh, that's that's the big girl job that you have when you become an adult. And having that example in front of me, I think made me maybe a little too myopic, even about where I was focusing when I did go to university and envisioning what type of careers I was going to pursue. So you know, lawyers, doctors, and Wall Street were really the ideas that I had. And um I obviously chose the the third of those options to pursue. And when I began that career, I realized just how um small I was thinking in terms of what types of careers were truly available.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

Yes, yeah, it is, and it is usually something that you've seen that inspires you, and then you get to see all of the different careers in there once once you've obviously got into the world of work. We wish that more people thought of technology. Uh at you know, that's what they wanted to do. We're getting there, especially with females and female role models that are in more senior positions. Um, it still tends to be though people find their way in in a different way and then fall into the tech industry, but we are getting there. Um, we want more girls at at school thinking the tech industry is for me. And you started in happening, I think. It it is. I that is definitely happening. I think with role models, more people like yourself that you can see and hear their story, that is inspiring a lot more young girls to think I'll go to university and study computer science um or a tech-related degree, and at least be open to the types of roles that are available in the tech industry. Because you don't have to be a coder, is the other thing. People think I have to be technical, I have to be, you know, really good at math. Um, and actually, there's so many different roles in tech. It's just the more we tell people that, uh, the more people will come in. Um your role though, you started in analytics um and then you made a big leap into um a high growth beauty startup, as you said, um, which also, by the way, when people say they work at startups and then they move to corporates and the difference in culture and um all of that is is so um it is so interesting and so build your career as you go, the difference of working in smaller, um, fast-paced startups and and big companies. Um but what sparked that decision at the time? Um, like what what were you feeling at the time where you thought I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna um make a leap into a in into beauty, into a beauty startup?

SPEAKER_00 9:04

So I I think the desire started when I was really just every day feeling the corporate grind, the rat race of working in a very large institution and not really having maybe my own identity yet. And thinking I really feel passionate about a lot of um whether it's beauty or arts, culture, even sports, I have all these passions that really get me motivated, but I'm not necessarily feeling that same sort of motivation in what I'm doing every day. And as again, my my eyes opened to the fact that there were jobs that could marry my skill set and even my experience in some of these more creative fields, I started to try to envision what working at some of these companies would look like. I had a hard time actually in the beginning envisioning what that role would look like for me. Um and I kind of on a whim, like I said, sent this message to um the CEO and founder of Glossier, um, Emily Weiss, and sent a message and forgot about it, truly. Uh it was something that I almost had to bring up the courage to even send. So when the email came and offered to have me come in and interview, I thought, oh, what a cool opportunity. I get to go and look at the Glossier offices, still not really envisioning myself in that space. And it wasn't until I had this great conversation with the hiring manager where I probably at that point realized just how transferable some of the skills were that I had in my career. And that, you know, yes, it is a completely different industry, the culture is completely different. You know, we're going from a male-dominated field to a female-dominated field, we're going from a large storied institution to a small, budding startup. But at the end of the day, you're doing a lot of similar types of roles, a lot of responsibilities that are similar from one job to the next. And I think having that conversation and realizing just how some of what I was doing in my day-to-day in my pencil skirt and blazer could be perfectly done in a pair of jeans and you know, a nice sweater or t-shirt, made me realize, oh, just because I hadn't necessarily seen myself, you know, in this space, I was maybe being a little closed-minded about how I could actually fit into this role. And I started realizing that the risk of not going to that job and taking that chance on myself was larger than the risk of staying in the career I currently was in.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

Yes. I I hear that um a lot, especially from young people who think a startup isn't for them, or they think I have to um go into a big company and have that brand name be behind me, for instance. Um, and they don't always take a chance on a smaller company and that they they worry that risk is there. Um, but actually the things that you learn in a smaller company, my gosh, they really do set you up for the rest of your career. It is there's nobody there. That's the thing. There's no one there to help you. So you have so much responsibility, you move so much faster, um, which is uh you know a challenge in itself, but and it's not for everybody. We we always say that on here, it's not for everyone, but gosh, you learn so fast in a in a small company.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

I couldn't agree more. It definitely was uh at times baptism by fire, especially not coming from that industry. Um, but you had so much opportunity to work on, you know, there's so much work to be done. And so if you raise your hand, if you lead the initiative, then you know people are excited for you to take it, for you to own it. And when I you know was at a larger institution, of course, there are processes, it's a very regulated industry. There are um steps to follow because of the type of work you're doing, and because you know you're a junior employee at a very bureaucratic regulated company. So having then all this

Startup Growth Without A Safety Net

SPEAKER_00 13:55

control and freedom in obviously very unregulated space when it came to beauty center kind of took me by surprise. And I learned in my two years at Glossier more than I ever could have imagined I had in the previous, whether it's my university, previous job experience, and you know, even thinking to what I've learned over the last few years, it was just inundated with every single day doing something new, learning something new, because every single day the company is a little bit different.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

Yes, yeah. And Glacia experienced massive growth as well. So um what did that period teach you about scaling, risk, and adapting quickly?

SPEAKER_00 14:43

I I think you know it it was an important lesson, but there's not really a safety net. Um it's truly where you you are the owner. It's there's a decision that's made, whether it's your decision that you've made or you know, you're kind of told the result of a decision, it is it's moving forward from now on, right? That's that's the new determination. There's not then a review of the decisions we've made this week. There's not a um you know a questioning or a follow-up about you know a contract that's been signed. It's you know, you it's ever forward. And I think it's a great amount of responsibility, but it's also a great amount of responsibility. So it's about knowing and feeling like the sky is the limit, which gives you such great motivation and encouragement and optimism in terms of continuing to achieve that growth, continuing to scale. It's very exciting. But at the same time, you have to be a good steward of the investment that you are responsible for. So, especially at a disruptor brand like Gloissier, it's weighing the risks on both sides of the equation. It's the risk of you know not being enough, that you're not getting interest, you're not getting new clients, you're new, I should say, new customers, you're not um you know reaching the target audience that you are hoping to reach. But then at the other time, other side of the equation, it's risk of doing too much. It's the risk of you know spending without thinking or not putting enough development into a new product or going to market too quickly. So it's about this really delicate balance between um trying to be innovative, but also trying to be a good steward of your investment without getting too lost in the excitement and frenzy of it all.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

I I I completely agree with that. Uh we're a small company here, and sometimes you can get very lost in that, let's do everything. And what like you said, um not bending too much as well, because you do think I need to grab hold of that opportunity and that opportunity, and you think, but actually we've strayed so far from what we are, and and our mission that sometimes even setting that boundary of what we are, how we add value, and keep going in that direction, um, even that is such a a learning curve. Um, and and there is nobody else there to set those boundaries as well. That's the thing. So um that responsibility falls on on the team that work there. Um, but yeah, so it's if a I'm always for a small um startup. I just think that what you learn there, you you wouldn't learn in a bigger company, um, and it's always worth the risk. Uh then seeing that growth and where the team goes is always really exciting.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

I you do have an invaluable experience. I will say I think you can have it in a large company as well. I I I feel what there are, especially when I joined the Bank of America team within the Cash Pro app, we we almost acted like a little incubator, um, like our own little technology startup right within a large institution where we had that excitement, we had that growth, and we had that uh autonomy to be able to really drive change. And just even though, again, we had the Bank of America name behind it, the Cash Flow app also saw meteoric rise in terms of its adoption, its use, and its uh brand awareness that I was able to somehow replicate some of that excitement and feelings of ownership and empowerment that I had at Glacier in my time here at Bank of America.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Yeah.

Bringing Startup Energy To Bank Of America

SPEAKER_01 18:44

And and I I wanted to ask you about um trusting yourself as well, because what you would have learned um working in a smaller startup, you would have taken with you to Bank of America on learning how to trust your own instinct as well and and um going in in the right direction. Um, because even a career pivot itself, it can feel really uncomfortable um and risky. Um what helped you trust that you were making uh the right move at that time?

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Well, that was definitely the million-dollar question because I I didn't know if I was making the right choice. Um it's it's something that I knew making that pivot at that time really excited me. In weighing the pros and cons of the decision, I knew that I was still in a position where I could afford to take that risk, truly uh afford it, where I didn't have any children yet, I didn't have a mortgage to worry about, um, and I knew that I could scrap things together if it didn't end up working out. So I thought, you know, I've only known one role so far. This is my opportunity to try something completely different on for size. And despite the questions, concerns, and you know, raised eyebrows of friends, families, and co-workers, I knew it was the right decision for me. And because it just felt right, I moved forward with it. Not to say I didn't have days scribbling on papers of weighing out true pros and cons, trying to calculate what the you know, salary, benefits, 401k, all those considerations could potentially lead to. But at the end of the day, I thought, you know, if if I don't do this now, it'll just become more difficult to try to pivot like this in the future. Um now I have the opportunity in front of me and I I should go and grasp it.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

Yeah, that's such good advice, especially um when you're early in your career and you you haven't got those commitments yet, perhaps of children um or um uh mortgages and other things that that come with time. And I look back sometimes and I think, I'm so pleased that I took certain roles that also offered a lot of um travel at the time because that was something that I had the luxury of doing and the time of doing. And then um, you know, life happens and you start to have other responsibilities. And and I look back and think, gosh, I was so lucky um to have taken those roles where I got to travel a lot uh when I was a lot younger. Um you can always grab hold of those opportunities whilst you can um and take those risks, and sometimes they don't work out, but we also learn from those as well. Um, we always encourage in our community to uh share stories, um especially the ones that don't work out, because in a world of Instagram and social media and everybody looks perfect, and you see on LinkedIn they say oh I started a business and who would have thought one year ago I would look like this and you think but you haven't shared what happened in between you starting that business and how your business is looking now um and they're the things we want to hear you know what happened what what were the risks how did you fall and how did you overcome those challenges um so I couldn't agree more on um taking that risk when when you can weighing up the risk but taking it um and now see you ended up at Bank of America um and you're now leading innovation and product um at Bank of America um how do you bring together your analytical background and your creative side in your day-to-day work now I really see the two as um almost like sisters working hand in hand I think that having an analytical background gives you a great baseline and foundation for how things work today so that when you are thinking about how to improve an experience what kind of change or innovation you can bring to the table having the foundation of what the existing experience is is kind of first and foremost what you need to know in order to actually change it.

SPEAKER_00 23:21

You can't bring any innovation you can't bring change you can't bring something new and exciting if you don't know what you already have. So by having that analytical background you're able to think strategically about how to improve the client experience holistically about what your product might need in order to grow but also in terms of the delivery you can't just have the idea you need to actually be able to execute on the idea. So by having this marriage between an analytical skill set and a creative skill set you can actually bring to fruition some of those improvements that you foresee for your your product yes do you think as well the the word creative is not necessarily something that you thought would come up in in the tech industry at all.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

It's kind of one of those words where people are like oh the industry isn't creative which is usually rubbish when you talk to people that work in it.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

I have said that so many times Kaylee I've I have um laughed with my partner and my family members about some of the types of uh jobs I'll find myself doing on a you know Friday afternoon where some of it is is definitely you know the the creative side of it is really important to to document to innovate whether sometimes we often will regularly have what we call forward inventing sessions where we will truly just brainstorm about you know what new ideas can we actually bring um to our our product and a lot of those ideas end up being ones that prove to be patentable and we will look to have those ideas patented and bringing that into our our platform and it really makes us a differentiator. I think that just also helps the company culture. So sometimes it can be you know a coworker sending you a really funny meme that they created for you know that Friday afternoon and that you know brings a laugh and even though that theme's not work related it's at this creative outlet that you're able to actually you know put something that's not numbers, Excel, spreadsheets and email together you can have a laugh it improves the culture and if the culture is really positive then I think it really rises the overall experience and performance of the whole team. So creative just in your work and also in your tangential work projects.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

Yes yes I couldn't agree more. That um helping with that culture we had somebody on here recently she spoke a lot about psychological safety in the workplace and being able to do things like that and laughing with your colleagues and um lifting each other up and being able to speak up in meetings when you have ideas and know that they're going to be heard. They might not all be implemented but being in a culture where you are heard and things are taken on board you feel so much safer in that workplace that you stay and you keep coming up with those ideas instead of thinking no I've just retreated because I tried a few times and nothing happened. What's the point?

SPEAKER_00 26:46

I agree and I think especially for women that ends up being important for

Patents And Building For The Future

SPEAKER_00 26:52

their voices to be heard shared and considered so I I fully agree with that sentiment. Definitely and um on that note as well you are um also an inventor of multiple patents um how has your career pivot influenced the way that you think about innovation and problem solving that's a great question I I am lucky that I have I think over 20 patents now with the bank and what is great about being a patent holder is that you're thinking about not just the problems of today but also the the problems or opportunities of tomorrow. So it's a an encouragement to think you know where is technology going? You know maybe you see you know a hardware company coming out with you know some new feature whether it's a security feature or it's a convenience feature and then you can immediately start iterating on how can we improve the experience for our products by leveraging that new technology. Maybe we don't have a fully integrated let's say a metaverse just yet but if we were to envision you know the metaverse you know and this was obviously a buzzword a few years ago but if we were to envision what a metaverse could be you know how would we want to be perceived or our clients to use our our products in this new sphere? Maybe it's with AI AI the buzzword of the day how could our clients benefit from different AI integrations within our platform so I think the really the combination of being that innovation and having a very like innovative focus helps a lot with thinking about the technological requirements of the day, client and anticipating the client needs of the future because you know you you can't build anything in a day so you really need to start thinking one, two, five, ten years out to be able to start building that strategic roadmap and you don't want to get to year 10 and realize you completely missed out on the next iPhones.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Yes. And and out of curiosity did you think that being at such a big company you would have such freedom to to to be innovative? Did you think it was going to be quite stuck stuck in its ways and you thought you know it's a good opportunity but I might not have the chance to to innovate here.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

Kaylee absolutely it's like you you read my diary because when I started my career I shared I I was being myopic in thinking about what type of career I was seeing in myself seeing for myself and then made this pivot to Gloissier loved the culture loved that I got to wear so many different hats and touch so many different parts of the end-to-end you know experience and bringing you know products I loved come to life and thinking when I was going to you know change careers again because I moved with my partner to uh Chicago from from New York City that I was only focused still on the startup space. You know I I just had to love working for a small company. I love that culture. And I didn't think that I was going to be satisfied having a large corporate entity to call home again. And I I have one old coworker to thank who I had a literal run-in on the street when I was trying to figure out my next career stat, who has since switched to Bank of America and he assured me that the culture here was one that would really value all the different parts of my creative thinking, my desire for innovation, my desire to really own and belong that he knew that I was looking for when I left the first financial institution I I worked for. And I'm so happy to say that I took that risk of coming back into financial services by joining Bank of America based on his assurance and that it's been over six and a half years and I I find that I'm still so fully fulfilled by the positive culture here and that it's it's not a certain type of company that has a good culture or bad culture. It's not even a size it's not even a you know demographic it's really individualized down to the people and I have been very happy that my experience here at Bank of America has been one that has been really defined by that encouragement to be your full authentic self, to bring your creative ideas to the office to be supported in innovation that you foresee whether it's something we can deliver upon or not in the real term or in the short term but you know having all those aspects of it still within this technological sphere has been one that's been just very encouraging and motivating.

SPEAKER_01 32:29

Yes I love that we've had um lots of conversations on here about uh what actually makes up that company culture and how people um feel when they come to work every day because I think some companies think um uh one thing we always say on here is oh we started a Slack channel and we you know for instance our women in tech are all in it and and we have different groups and they're all got lots of Slack channels. Brilliant but how does actually everybody feel coming to work every day and the work that they do and what they achieve um by the end of the year, how they look back and and um feel about the projects that they've worked on and that is something like you said it's not a a certain company or a certain size it is the people and how um even leadership how uh they act as well and how that trickles down from leadership into the workforce. And some companies have just kind of uh figured out how how to do that and it's ingrained um in in the company culture throughout um and it is and people do state that is always a way to see whether or not it is a good company that people don't job hop after just one year and like yourself you're uh uh in it for the long run and by the sounds of it. Um for someone in our community who is considering a career pivot um but feels stuck or unsure, what practical advice would you

Practical Pivot Advice And Transferable Skills

SPEAKER_01 33:56

give them to get started?

SPEAKER_00 34:00

I think inertia is one of the hardest pieces to overcome. I think again especially for women we will count ourselves out of an opportunity before we've even thrown our hat in the ring because we'll look at you know the qualifications of a job listing we'll look for um the experience that's requested and we don't check every single box on that list of requests and so we you know we'll often then just say oh well you know that's not for me I don't match the mold that they're looking for. I think be more open-minded about you know what a job posting is really meant to do and it's it's meant to attract those who are interested in the role. It's not meant to be a rubric that you're grading against yourself against. You know let the interviewer do that. And when you just throw your hat in the ring and then really try to break down what the role is going to require and what your responsibilities today or in your past might actually be more relevant than you think. This is what I've truly found in in both of my career pivots both through Glossier as well as back into financial services was that at Glossier, yes, we're making say a lipstick but at the end of the day the job required were things like contract negotiations, price negotiations, it required vendor management, it required a lot of customer feedback or client feedback and implementing that feedback it requires data analytics, it requires marketing all of these transferable skills that just because you're talking about a physical good like a lipstick doesn't mean that the type of work that's required when we're talking about a new product or new feature rollout within let's say the Cash Pro app requires any kind of a different approach. It might be a little bit of a different vocabulary but the way you approach the role and the responsibilities are going to be really similar. And I think that in my pivot to and from and back again I have found that the you know day to day between the different companies actually looks a lot more similar than an average person would think it would. And it's about kind of trusting yourself and having faith in yourself that your skills and your skill set is truly much broader than you think. So if you can boil down what you do to more granular general level so you can speak to what it is as opposed to you know trying to push yourself in a corner, then you'll realize that you're actually a great candidate for a lot more opportunities, a lot more roles in a lot more different industries, companies, etc Yes, I I I couldn't agree more.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

We we speak to so many of our community members who say I've looked at a lot of job roles but I haven't applied or they're training in certain areas but they're not applying and this is just so disheartening because we think but it you you would be so great at so many roles and and there is that sometimes that um misconception in tech that you have to be a coder and that's it. And then we get lots of community members who say actually I didn't realize that most of my skills transferred into being a project manager and I had no idea that I was doing that every day in my role anyway and I just naturally you know transitioned over to the tech industry. And I think sometimes it is just coming outside almost looking outside of what you're doing and thinking actually what is it that I do every day and I could quite easily go over to another industry and something like the tech industry that a lot of people don't think they're ever going to find themselves in.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

But you're you're so right as well I don't know if you're there I I felt this a lot but every job I've probably ever been in has never really matched the job advertisement anyway and you end up moving on to lots of other things it's a laugh if you pull up that yeah if you pull up your original job listing and you know especially if you've been in the role for more than let's say six months it can be a laugh to you know compare the two. But I I think that's also you know an important consideration as somebody who is looking for a new role because the the job naturally is going to evolve based on how the needs of the company have changed, macroeconomic changes, but also the skill sets that you bring to the role are naturally going to change what you know you're going to focus on on that future team. So I think you know not trying to be too restrictive in thinking that you know what's set on this one piece of paper is going to define exactly what the role is going to look like and sharing how you can actually improve upon this role, what skills you can bring to make the role maybe bigger than what it is on the paper or you know change the scope, the scale, whatever it is but I think you know realizing that you have the power to actually meet what the requirements are today, but continue to evolve it based on you know where your skills and the value that you bring could be.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

Yes I couldn't agree more and being at the right company that allows you to do that and to expand your role as well. When you fall on your feet in the right company it makes such a difference. Yeah it's the one of the biggest things to make sure that you do fall in the right company so you can keep um growing because otherwise you do job hop after nine months sometimes and think I shouldn't have gone there. I'm not evolving.

Closing Thoughts And Thanks

SPEAKER_01 40:12

But I could keep talking to you about this all afternoon because it is um a topic that our community absolutely loves. So thank you so much for coming on Trish and sharing your story and life at Bank of America it's been an absolute pleasure chatting with you.

SPEAKER_00 40:28

Thank you so much for having me.

SPEAKER_01 40:30

Thank you and thank you to our listeners as always for joining us and we hope to see you again next time.