SheCanCode's Spilling The T
SheCanCode's Spilling The T
A Woman's Journey from Employee to Tech Entrepreneur
Join us on Spilling the T as we sit down with Sam Gaskell, CEO of DataFit Ltd, a trailblazing woman in the tech industry, to delve into her inspiring journey from being an employee to becoming a successful entrepreneur.
In this episode, Sam shares her experiences, challenges, and triumphs as she navigated the tech world to carve out her own path.
From starting a business to breaking through glass ceilings, she offers valuable insights and practical advice for aspiring female entrepreneurs in tech. Tune in to discover how she turned her passion into a thriving business and continues to pave the way for women in technology.
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Hello everyone, thank you for tuning in again. I am Kayleigh Batesman, the Content Director at she Can Code, and today we are discussing Breaking Barriers A Woman's Journey from Employee to Tech Entrepreneur. Today, we're sitting down with the wonderful Sam Gaskill, CEO of DataFit, who is a trailblazing woman in the tech industry, and we're going to delve into her inspiring journey from being an employee to becoming a successful entrepreneur.
Speaker 2:Welcome, Sam. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1:Welcome, Sam. Thank you for joining us. Hi, thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to have you on. I know you're a really busy lady. In the intro there we mentioned employee to entrepreneur, so we're dying to hear all about your journey today. Can we kick off with a little bit of context, a little bit of background about you, just to set the scene.
Speaker 2:Of course, yes, no problem. So yes, hi everyone. Sam Gaskell, founder and CEO at DataFit. So we offer data management consultancy and training to businesses of all sizes and also individuals who are looking to expand in sort of yeah, the data realm. Really so yeah.
Speaker 1:Incredible. And you so you did. You fall into the tech industry. Did you know you wanted to go in? What was life like at school?
Speaker 2:for? Oh yes, very good question, um. So I weirdly had um done a like a careers questionnaire, like when you're in school and trying to figure out what it is that you want to go on to do, and something that came up at the time was a software engineer, um, and I, I, yeah, I mean I absolutely loved sort of computing and IT in school, and so I think it's something I've always been very keen on, um, I've always loved sort of technology. My mum, um, she worked within sort of systems as well, and has done until she retired more recently, and so I don't know if it was just kind of, yeah, I'd been around her and had seen what stuff that, yeah, that existed and was out there.
Speaker 1:Really, yeah, it's nice, you, actually this week I've heard a few ladies who said their mums had inspired them to go into tech and that's nice that people are saying that now, but it's becoming a generational thing. Actually, I was a parent, so, yeah, that's lovely and it's always nice to hear that people like that as a child. A lot of people do fall into the tech industry and they never, ever thought that they would work in tech. But sometimes, when people just kind of knew that, they had a bit of a knack for that as a child and kind of chose that route yeah, it's funny because even though it was something that came up during school, it then wasn't the, the path I was going to be taking.
Speaker 2:So I think, although I had that, um, yeah, like keenness and and interest in it, I still went down the health and social care route I don't know if it was more just because that's kind of from a female perspective where I was kind of directed, I suppose, um, but yeah, even though my mum was already in that space. Again, it was an interest but not a direct path, um, and so yeah, so I don't know that, if I don't know, I definitely wouldn't say that I probably fell into it because it's kind of always been in me, but, um, but yeah, I think, even still, the, the career, could have taken a very different way, um, a very different path.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, yeah, and your path, um, is really interesting one that we're gonna uh dive into today. So can you share with us a bit about your journey from being an employee in the tech industry to becoming an entrepreneur and what inspired you to make this transition?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. So I've now worked in tech and data specifically for over 12 years. As I say, I've always had a bit of an interest in sort of systems and data in some way and I officially sort of started my data career as a data quality clerk. When I think back now, I'm kind of amazed that because at the time I had no experience or knowledge of what data really was. So I'd, I think, in every single one of my roles prior to that, I'd always been the kind of go-to person, um, within um sort of my teams and within um the departments I worked in, because I was always quite tech savvy um, so I was quite heavily relied on um it there. Um, but yeah, as I say, I had no experience, no knowledge of data quality, and I'm, I think I was very lucky that when I was in the interview, two very, very lovely women um, and I was very honest actually, and I think I would say and recommend to everybody that's going for, yeah, jobs and interviews, just be honest, like, don't you have to pretend to be something that you're not.
Speaker 2:And I remember one of the questions that they asked me was do you understand the impact of bad data quality? And at the time I was working for the NHS and and so that was the impact on patients. And actually I didn't know and I went into that interview and I said, to be honest with you what I don't, but I just showed my sort of yeah, interest, um, and passion for learning and attitude to just kind of get stuck in and figure it out along the way, and I'm very grateful to them because they were the people that kind of gave me my first proper data role and gave me that opportunity. So so, yeah, so that's kind of where it started, but being within that team, it then gave me sort of access to a wider sort of information management team. So they were the people who were the analysts proper analyzing, writing code, creating dashboards and to me that looked incredibly exciting, um, excuse me, and I basically wanted to, to learn it, and so I'd built a really nice relationship with their, the manager of that team, and I said tell me what I need to do to be able to come and do that. Tell me what skills I need to learn from like a coding perspective, from a, I guess, understanding the business better. If there's anything that I need to learn, can you tell me what I need to go and do better. If there's anything that I need to learn, can you tell me what I need to go and do? Um, and yeah, so I just was seconded over at the time just to kind of see how I got on and and, yeah, the rest is history.
Speaker 2:Really, with all of that, I just kind of loved it. I found writing code really sort of logical and methodical. That's very much my brain and, um, yeah, I just loved learning from other people and working with the business, and within that I very quickly identified a bit of a niche for myself. So, although I love the coding and the dashboarding, I very quickly witnessed that, um, a lot of technical people I'm'm not going to tarnish everybody with the same brush, but technical people tend not to be able to communicate too well with the business, and so I very quickly learned to become the kind of to bridge the gap between the technical and the non-technical teams, and that's kind of where my career has, has has gone.
Speaker 2:In every role that I've had, I've always been, um, that person that sat in the middle, enabling everybody else to kind of get on and do their jobs really, and and gather requirements from the business and interpret that back and yeah, it's um, it's been, it's been amazing. And I did that for, yeah, for 10 years, and I was very, very lucky to have worked with some amazing brands. I've worked with Zoopla, I've worked at M&S, british Gas and then obviously, as I mentioned, the NHS as well, and yeah, I've just I spent that time sort of honing and crafting my skills, really until 2022.
Speaker 1:And then that's when data fit kind of yeah was launched, and here we are, it's it's quite uh, I mean an incredibly, um, brave thought as well as thinking I'm gonna do so, I'm gonna start my own business, and it's. It's not something that you can take lightly and just think. You know it's incredibly hard. So how, how did that happen? How did you have that thought? And then you thought you know what, I'm gonna go for it and this is gonna be a success um, yes, so I, in February 2022, had my second son.
Speaker 2:Um, I'd for years, I think entrepreneurship has kind of been within me, um, forever, and so I'd, when I was younger, I'd for years I think entrepreneurship has kind of been within me forever and so I'd, when I was younger, I'd started a couple of businesses as very non-tech but from my creative side, I used to bake cakes and I used to sell them.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I think entrepreneurship and having that business has always kind of been, as I say, in me, but what that business looked like and from a longevity perspective, I I didn't know what it was going to be. But yeah, as I say, february 2022, I had, um, our second son, and as I was coming to um, go on maternity leave, there was just stuff kind of going on politics wise. I was promised a, a promotion that kind of came to nothing, and I think that's happened multiple times and it kind of got into this point where I was like it's kind of now or never. I mean that sounds very dramatic, but it was. It was kind of that's how I felt at the time. It was. I had this fire in my belly to just to just do it and I don't remember. Maybe that was a bit of lack of sleep as well from that.
Speaker 1:I mean it would make sense, wouldn't it?
Speaker 2:um? But yeah, so I at the time just thought I think this is it for me and, and, yeah, I, um, I found working in full-time employment. Um, even then, my approach was always from a very entrepreneurial mindset, in that everyone was my customer. I served them internally, whether that was externally, whoever it was. They were always my customer and I was there to kind of unblock and and relieve pain points and, yeah, just make sure that they could do what they needed to do and, um, and I feel like I've brought that through into data fit, that's all I want to do. I want to work with businesses and individuals that have data and want to make better use of it and, and, yeah, just yeah, provide focus on on that data management piece and expertise and and kind of, yeah, take the pressure off um in that space. And so, yeah, it was a a big decision. It's not an easy, easy decision to make, um, but an exciting one. And yeah, you haven't looked back? No, absolutely not on that note.
Speaker 1:Um, I wanted to ask you a little bit about challenges and some of the biggest challenges that you might have faced as a woman in tech, both when you were an employee and now as an entrepreneur. Sometimes when they ask that question on here to ladies, they actually say I didn't face any challenges. So I suppose, first up, did you and, uh, how did you overcome them?
Speaker 2:yeah, unfortunately. Yes, I would love to say that I've not faced any challenges, but I think and I would love to know the people that haven't faced any challenges but, yeah, in the minority maybe. Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely so as an employee. So working, as we all know, within tech and data's no exception um, it's very, very male dominated. Um, I'd probably say nine times out of ten, I was the only female on the team, um, which made it, I think, incredibly lonely at times, to be honest. Um, there were a few times in which I thought why am I here, why am I doing this? And and actually, I think there are some very scary stats that a lot of women do end up leaving tech purely because that it doesn't fit them, and, um, I think there are potentially other, more flexible or welcoming, uh, industries for them to to be working in. So, yeah, I'd been spoken over, I've been ignored, I've been insulted. There are a whole host of things that I've unfortunately faced. The list kind of goes on, but in terms of how I overcame them, so that one in particular, I at the time and I think it's what I love about the she Can Code community and other communities that now exist I wasn't aware of them and if there were any, but when I first started in my career over 12 years ago I didn't, I didn't feel like that existed. I at least I didn't find it at the time and I found sort of networking wasn't an easy thing to get into, like when you're tied to that nine to five. Getting out and meeting people is is tough unless you go to conferences and events, and obviously that's a good, a good place. But being a young female again going to tech conferences, it's all very male, sort of dominated, and I found it very intimidating, to be honest. Um, but what I did do instead was just make sure I had a better sort of support system around me in terms of, like, my family and my friends. So if I did have that tough day in the office and I felt like I'd, yeah, been ignored and, um, it was a, a rough one, then I yeah, had other people that I could turn to, to kind of, I guess, vent to, and, yeah, who could support me outside of it. But later on, definitely, communities and networking has just been incredible. I think I would do a special shout out because I am now officially a role model with Next Tech Girls. Oh, yes, we love them them. Yeah, we've got them on the podcast you have. I listened to Emily's um, to Emily's uh uh, yeah episode. Um, yeah, so brilliant, absolutely brilliant. And now Gail is um heading it up whilst Emily's on maternity leave, which is very exciting. But, um, yeah, I just I couldn't recommend joining those. I just wish I knew about them when I was starting out in my career and and as I was, yeah, working my way through, but yeah, so that one in particular is kind of, yeah, a main.
Speaker 2:The main challenge, I'd say from an employee perspective, um, moving into being an entrepreneur, I think taking the leap to set up my business has probably been the biggest. It's just such a steep learning curve. You kind of you go from being able to, to an extent, go into the office and leave and you can get, you can switch off, can't you? To an extent, yeah, whereas with a business, um, I saw this very funny thing the other day that said, I left my nine to five so that I could pursue my business and now I work 24, seven and honestly, it can feel like that sometimes.
Speaker 2:I think I'm so passionate about what I do and I love what I do that. It can take over a little bit in my head, unfortunately, as well as everything else, but now I've had to take on more responsibilities, like managing finances, marketing and what all of that looks like, and and so, yeah, it's, it's a lot of fun, um, but it's definitely, yeah, challenging um at times. Um, but in terms of, yeah, how I overcome that, I there are so many resources available out there now, and so I just I try and make use of as much as I possibly can. That's online um, also making use of my existing network. So I built an amazing network over sort of 12 years and and that's a mixture of business owners, people who are still working full-time, employed um for for other businesses and, um, yeah, I just uh, everyone. There's a wealth of knowledge out there in your network, and so it's quite nice being able to um, yeah, chat to them about how we're all facing the same challenges.
Speaker 1:Essentially, um, and we're not alone, um, and for you to share your story as support for someone else as well, because you're so right there we've had ladies um on this podcast before share right there. We've had ladies um on this podcast before share them starting a business and the fact that it is hard and that it's really nice to hear from other people that they found it just as hard as you and to share. You know your advice and what went right and what went wrong, and social media is lovely and you get to see all these. You know pictures of people winning awards and doing fantastic, but there's a lot in between that starting up and getting that award and what that journey looks like, and that you know you do eventually get there, but you know it's not for the faint hearted.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, yeah, and I think with social media it can. You can be led to believe that it's an overnight success and actually it's happened super quickly for some people and it may well be for some that it does happen and what, however, that kind of works out. But yeah, absolutely it's not. Um, there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes, um, and, yeah, a lot of effort and you need to. I think something that I learn as well is having the discipline to come back. So I, towards the end of last year, I um one of my contracts the client I was working with came to an end and I kind of had a bit of a lull, um, because it was Christmas, so I took some time off and spent some time with my boys. It was lovely.
Speaker 2:But having the discipline to kind of come back to my desk and think, right, I need to start doing more and yeah, just getting getting back out there and what that, that kind of looked like it's tough. It's tough Like dragging yourself out of bed sometimes, like you do really need to believe in what you're doing and and be so passionate about it that, no matter how you're feeling, you're back here and you're you're doing it. Um, so, yeah, but no, it is. It is amazing and I think, yeah, communities that exist out there. And another thing as well is getting some coaching as well. That's what I, so I've got a business coach that I um tap into now, weekly sessions, and that I just find helps me get really clear on the goals that I have and how I'm actually going to get to them. Um and and reach them.
Speaker 2:But, but yeah, so that again, as a, an entrepreneur, is, um, probably a big thing. And then the only other challenge I'd say that probably existed in in both of those and still continues to exist and probably will forever, is imposter syndrome, which I feel like we all talk about and all feel, and not just as an entrepreneur, but as a mum and a wife and just as a woman. Like, just, yeah, every single day I one worry or question what I'm doing and and if I'm doing a good enough job and whether I should be doing this, and actually, yeah, it's um, it's tough, but again, the way in which I sort of try and move through that is, I don't allow it to stop me. First of all, um, but I try and remind myself of, like the, the successes, and celebrate the wins and, and no matter how big or small they are, it it's just yeah, fun and games.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you said they're moving through that. That is absolutely right. It's navigating that feeling and understanding that everybody else is having similar feelings and thoughts, because sometimes, when you do look at people and you think, oh, that looks so fantastic, look at them on Instagram and actually they're having similar thoughts and they have days where they think maybe this wasn't right for me, and you know it's just navigating those feelings. You go back around to, ok, yeah, I'm back with that fire and this was great and this was exactly what I wanted to do. But everybody has that up and down. Yeah, just connecting more people that are willing to share that is so valuable, definitely yeah, no, I agree, definitely, and I so I've.
Speaker 2:I've led teams of like four or five people and I remember having a chat with one um one of them in particular since starting data fit and she was talking about just how well I was running a workshop in particular, and she was just saying how confident I came across and how she aspires to be like that. And I said, quite honestly, I come out of those meetings and I start to think what was that? Did I run that well enough? Did everybody get value out of that workshop? What is it that we? And so, although I may come across as being quite confident, it's, it's, yeah, absolutely you. It is navigating it, it is pushing through it, and I wouldn't put myself down as being a confident person, but I do try to push myself out of my comfort zone and just, yeah, no matter how much those negative feelings come up, I do really, really try to push through, work through it and just keep going.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's brilliant advice. On that note, can you discuss a specific moment or experience that was pivotal in your entrepreneurial journey, so something that really stands out for you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I suppose I think we've probably covered off some of it is when I first launched data fit, I think, because it was obviously post post maternity leave, but I think probably more so during my entrepreneurial journey. So I touched upon last year how, at the end of um the year I it was my biggest client that I'd had and a lot of my work can either be divided into smaller businesses where I'm supporting many, many businesses um at once or, depending on the project, it could be that I'm working full-time for one um one business, and so towards the end of last year it was a very, very abrupt end and all of a sudden I was like, well, now what I don't, I've not got anything else kind of scheduled in um. So, yeah, being reliant on what I was hoping was going to come through didn't didn't come to fruition, unfortunately, with them um, I had lovely feedback. It was all down to budget, budget issues, which I think, unfortunately, is a very uh, common um thing at the moment and and topic um. But yeah, I kind of came to to the end of last year thinking, well, now what? And actually from that pivotal piece, I think I'd I'd been so focused on one area of the business and who I was supporting, that actually I completely redefined what I wanted to do with DataFit and who I could serve, and so it kind of gave me although it was a really scary time quite honestly, it was a scary time it became a very exciting, pivotal. I have met so many people now I decided to go out networking, but I think you can either kind of give up or try and carry on, and I think it was at that stage.
Speaker 2:I could have either decided I'm going to go back to full-time employment now because there are some jobs available and I could go and do that, or I carry on with DataFit and I push through and actually I absolutely loved it. I don't know if I just thrive on these kind of high pressure situations, but yeah, I just I decided that actually it was time to review, take stock, review what I was doing and see how I could essentially future-proof the business. And I think, yeah, I absolutely did that. And so this year has been amazing so far and I've worked, worked with, yeah, some some amazing businesses and and, um, yeah, really excited for the rest of the year. But, yeah, I think challenges just yeah, get thrown your way and it's a bit of a curveball, I think um that. I'd just keep going.
Speaker 1:is it based on that? Is there any advice that you would give to other women who are aspiring to become entrepreneurs in the tech field? Or, now you know what you know, is there anything that you wish somebody had told you before you started on that journey?
Speaker 2:Oh, I like that question. I think believe in yourself and your vision. I think set yourself some very clear goals and stay focused on that. I think we can become very distracted. We've obviously talked about social media. Um, we can see what other people are achieving and actually wish that we were there, even though they might be five, ten years ahead of us.
Speaker 2:Um, I think, stay in your lane, focus on what it is that you want to achieve and and self-doubt is totally normal, but overcoming that, as we talked about, and pushing through is absolutely key.
Speaker 2:I would also say, don't be afraid to fail. So I think, learning that, like towards the end of last year, there are going to be so many challenges and potentially setbacks that it's just a part of business, and I think we all hope that it's going to be plain sailing, but it might not necessarily be. And I think we all hope that it's going to be plain sailing, but it might not necessarily be, and I think to be aware of that when you're coming into this, um, but, yeah, develop, um, developing resilience, probably just kind of coming back time after time and, yeah, using your failures as kind of opportunities or times to grow, is definitely what I would say from my experience, but I think from a tech perspective as well, things are changing so much in the landscape. So we've got AI that's obviously the big thing at the moment and technologies and industry trends and all that stuff.
Speaker 1:Try and stay on top of it, um, attend workshops, go to those events and those conferences to keep you relevant and aware of kind of what's coming, either down the track, if anybody knows um, or at least, yeah, just stay with what's current really, um, yes, yeah, it's a bit of my learnings, I suppose yeah, really good, especially especially about the resilience part, because even if you do decide, if a lady decides later on actually this isn't for me and I'm going to go back into the workforce the skills that you would have picked up and the resilience that you would have built would make you an even better employee when you did go back into the workforce, so it never would be a wasted period of time. You just go in as a stronger, better employee when you did go back into the workforce, so it never would be a wasted period of time. You just go in as a stronger, better employee yeah, do you know what I absolutely agree.
Speaker 2:And so, like in December, when I was thinking about whether to go back to full-time employment or whether to keep pushing on with data fit, I'm very glad that I continued with data fit, but, equally it, you do you learn so much and you're, you're, you become so valuable to to a business, and the experience and the skills that you gain, um, from, yeah, from running your own business. It's just yeah. I, yeah, I completely agree, absolutely your day is obviously very manic.
Speaker 1:You've mentioned you're a mum, a wife, everything else in between. So how do you maintain a balance between your personal and professional life as an entrepreneur?
Speaker 2:I certainly try, um, yeah, I was only saying the other day I wish there were more hours in a day. Um, yes, it's definitely a challenge. I found a few things um that that work for me to help me bring some sort of balance. Um, so, yeah, so one is one is staying organized, um, so, yeah, as a, not only as an entrepreneur, but a mum, um, and a wife, and my own um needs as well. So that kind of looks like planning, basically, and understanding what we've got coming up in the week and not only what those long-term goals are.
Speaker 2:But I get incredibly specific in what activities I've got, right from dropping the boys off to reviewing my calendar, any outstanding actions. There's so much going on and to juggle that I just I can only achieve it and do it through proper planning, um, and organization. Really, um, I can be so consumed by data fit, um, that I do just, yeah, need to be, uh, yeah, as organized as I possibly can, and I come to the end of the week and just try, and there's, there's always going to be things that come up, but I always try to, yeah, give myself a little bit of flexibility in it and, um, yeah, um, I've also recently come to set very clear boundaries on on when I'm available to work as well. Yeah, I think there's always this expectation that we're available or we're online and and actually, um, I can't be.
Speaker 2:I can't physically. None of us should physically be doing that, it's not very good for our health, but but I, I can't be because of, um, family life and a husband that does shift work, and so I am very much the main carer trying to juggle it all really. So, yeah, setting those boundaries has been really helpful because I think it can all really blur. I don't know if it was something that kind of came in during COVID, where we were all having to juggle life at home as well as work and and it was obviously all everything became, yeah, very, very blurred and intertwined. Um, and I think now I'm hoping that a lot of people will be able to start, if not already, reeling that back a little bit and and putting in some very clear boundaries that, yeah, yeah, when you close your laptop, it's when you're finished, yeah, healthier for everybody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely, but yeah, and then I think the final thing for me is also about staying present. I've struggled a lot with staying focused, so like, if I'm with the boys, thinking about work, or if I'm working, I'm thinking about the boys we all talk about, like mum guilt and, yeah, making sure that we can deliver on on everything that we're juggling, and then we've got going on. But I found that and I've had to work really hard on it it's trying to quiet the millions of thoughts that run through our brains. Um, but yeah, staying, staying present and like multitasking, I find does not work for me.
Speaker 2:Um, even though I'm pretty sure we are, as women, meant to be renowned for multitasking, I can say that it doesn't work for me. So, yeah, um, but that way I'm then giving my all to my children or to my clients, and so I'm not. Then, obviously, things happen and I'll start to think about, oh, what should we have for lunch or for dinner or something like that, while I'm in the middle of work? But but, yeah, trying really hard to stay present and yeah, it's hard, but it can be done. So, yes, finding the balance is a continuous thing.
Speaker 1:Continuous struggle. Yeah, you've had ups and downs and lots of successes. So I'm interested to ask you, looking back on your journey, what are you most proud of achieving and what are your future goals for yourself and your business? What should we expect next from days of it?
Speaker 2:oh yes. So I think what I'm most proud of achieving is probably launching um with a very young family. Um, it's probably a big achievement that I don't really recognize sometimes because I think we're all so busy day after day after day. You just carry on um that. Yeah, I think launching a business is it's no mean feat, um, and yeah, I think it's been an incredible journey so far, but, yeah, something that I should definitely recognize a little bit more um, probably believing in myself and my vision and for continuing to push forwards as well. Like there have been knockbacks and I have been let down by people, and it happens, but I think coming back time after time to keep going and believing in what it is that I want to do with DataFit has, yeah, it's definitely something to be proud of In terms of future goals. So, for me personally, I always want to give back, and so I mentioned earlier that I'm a role model for Next Tech Girls and I'm always trying to find ways in which I can give back, and I think, because I struggled earlier on in my career, I want to make sure that girls and women don't ever feel like how I did, and so I will will continue to work with, with communities and other women in in business as well, if that's something that, yeah, I'd love I get involved in and would love to continue to do so. Just back on the finding balance piece, I think I would always love to and we'll continue to work on trying to find a better balance for everything. Um, I love, absolutely love what I do, but I also know that it's not everything, and my family are also a huge priority and my top priority and so, yeah, just enjoying more time with them and and how I find that balance.
Speaker 2:Um is a continuation, but in terms of data fit, big, big, big goals and big plans, data fit um growing the team. So over the next 12 to 18 months, we've got um, yeah, team growth, which means that we can support more businesses, expand our offering and and what we're doing um, but we're also looking to make our training more widely available. So right now it tends to be sort of live sessions, either in person or virtual, but making that um available via like an online platform is is something that's kind of in the in the works at the moment and means that hopefully it will make it more accessible to a lot of people and and who are looking to either pivot or start a career in data management. Um, as well, but really, the the better that we do data fit wise and, uh, the more that we can give back, and so I'd I'd love to just, yeah, grow and and it means that, yeah, we can support communities and, yeah, just do good in the world.
Speaker 1:It's kind of my aim, yeah, and just remembering to do that as well is so important because it will be in your DNA as you grow and it will be part of your team and they kind of expect all of that and as you go on to do bigger and better things. It's in your culture, so it's so important. We are already out of time. I could keep talking to you about this, but we're gonna have to have you back on here at some point to hear all about DataFit and how you achieve those goals and to hear about your team and how they've grown. So, and we would love to have you back at some point, but for now, thank you so much, sam, for being so honest and genuine and just so humble about your journey. I'm sure our community are going to find it so invaluable to have heard that. So thank you so much for coming on and sharing today. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:And to everybody listening, as always. Thank you so much for listening and we hope.
