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SheCanCode's Spilling The T
SheCanCode's Spilling The T
The power of community
On today’s episode of Spilling the T, we’re discussing a topic that is close to our hearts at SheCanCode – the power of community.
We’re joined by Megan and Lauren, Co-Founders of TRIBE, to chat about how a community can help you grow, both personally and professionally; foster collaboration and innovation; and help you feel supported as a woman in tech.
As co-founders of their own community of women working in male-dominated industries, Megan and Lauren are keen to share the power of having a community behind you.
Megan is a transformation lead for a software company and Lauren runs a recruitment company specialising in tech and supporting companies to recruit diverse teams.
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Hello everyone. Thank you for tuning in Again. I am Kayleigh Batesman, the content director at she Can Code, and today we're discussing the power of community. I'm lucky to be joined by two fabulous leaders in tech, Megan Stovell-Bone and Lauren Winnebank, both co-founders of Tribe, to chat about how community can help you grow both personally and professionally, foster collaboration and innovation, and help you feel supported as a woman in tech. Welcome, Megan and Lauren. Thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you for having us. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy days. Can we kick off with a bit of background about each of you to set the scene? Please, Lauren, shall we start with you?
Lauren Windebank:Yeah, hi. So I'm Lauren. I'm the founder, firstly, of a tech recruitment business called Roma Black and then, obviously, co-founder of Tribe. I started my career in recruitment, which obviously led to me setting up my own business, and through working in the tech industry, I sort of saw a lack of support for females working in male dominated industries, and that's where sort of Tribe was born, if you like, just as a community, a membership, a network to really help women thrive.
Kayleigh Bateman:It's amazing and you started in recruitment. I take it, when you left school you weren't thinking now I'm going to end up in the tech industry. That just kind of fell into you. One of those ladies I hear it often.
Lauren Windebank:Yeah, I don't think anyone steps out with the purpose to be a recruiter. I had a few jobs before that sort of very sales driven roles and a friend of mine worked in recruitment, so very much fell into. It Was very lucky that I was fast tracked in my career under a corporate company and really wanted flexibility, knowing I was going to start a family. So I have three and four year old now and I start the business before they were born, just really to build something for myself and to have the flexibility that I would know I needed moving forward.
Kayleigh Bateman:Yeah, amazing. So this conversation is going to be good. From what you just said, Megan yourself, did you fall into tech or did you have a plan?
Megan Stovell-Bone:Oh no, exactly that. So I did. I did fall into tech. So my background I have a very so is my pathway into tech has been a little bit different.
Megan Stovell-Bone:I actually was working in the travel industry to start with. I was a flight attendant for a few years. I then moved into events, which is really where I spent the majority of my career. I was fortunate enough to have quite a few tech companies as my clients when I used to organize large corporate events. One of the clients was the company that I now work for and I just fell in love with them. I fell in love with their culture, just everything about them, and they actually had an opportunity that came out to work in their enablement team and I just jumped at it. So, yeah, I I was going to fall into it, but I jumped into the world of tech and I've been there the last five years with the same company. I've done lots of different roles. I started off, as I say, in enablements, I then moved into sales programs and my current role is Transformation Program Lead for the Europe Enterprise team. So, yeah, mixed roles, but it's been an incredible journey.
Kayleigh Bateman:Yes, amazing. I love hearing all of the different ways in to tech that people find their way in, and I do never know what people are going to say. You're the first that said I started as a flight attendant.
Megan Stovell-Bone:I don't have to say it yeah, it's a stopping one.
Kayleigh Bateman:It's lovely that eventually everybody finds their way in in some way. And it is true, everybody seems to think that you have to have a plan, you have to have a computer science degree, and it's something that we talk about a lot on this podcast, that most people that work in tech, that is not the way that they came into the industry. So the more that we hear the different stories and the roots in is something that we we love to promote on here. And both of you ladies met, so you had completely different parts that you, you, you met and you started tribe. Can you tell us a little bit about a tribe, how it came about and and? And you know your mission, what's it? What is it about?
Lauren Windebank:Yeah, so I'll start by telling you how it came about and then Meg can go into a bit more about tribe. But Meg and I actually went to school together and so we had, you know, mutual friends and we were in a sort of other sides of the year so, yeah, wasn't sort of close friends at school but knew of each other and had mutual friends. And a close friend of both of us had a hendu and we sort of reconnected on that hendu and, as you know, women that really care about their careers. We got to talking and we agreed to set something in for a coffee catch up.
Lauren Windebank:When we got back and weren't fueled with alcohol and I said to Meg, let's talk over coffee. So I said to Meg that I'd come up with a concept of a company called tribe that would support women, you know, working in a male dominated industry, and I'd love to pick her brains as a female in tech as to what that could really look like. And you know we went back and forth with a lot of ideas and Meg actually texted me very shortly after us departing to say you know, you need me and I need to be a part of this. And so essentially we then went on a path to create what tribe is today. So yeah, it was a nice, almost like a accidental partnership, if you like, but then very purposeful moving forward. So yeah, meg can tell you a bit more about actually what tribe is.
Kayleigh Bateman:And also what else happened on that Hindu.
Lauren Windebank:This is not the space that you're doing. Business came out of that Hindu.
Megan Stovell-Bone:That's for a glass of wine in that conversation.
Kayleigh Bateman:We'll leave that for another episode.
Megan Stovell-Bone:So try. So ultimately it's an exclusive mentorship dedicated to building the next generation of female leaders in male dominated industries. We really want to put our arms around our members so we want to educate them. We have partnered with world-class coaching and mentors to really give people the opportunity to develop and to grow.
Megan Stovell-Bone:The other big part and you know, see why we're talking today is around that community piece. That's something that really, as we start to build tribe, we really saw that as something that's going to be incredibly powerful is to create a community of like-minded women to really help each other and to inspire one another and creating that diversity of thought in that community setting and just making it accessible. So you know, as Lauren said, you know, when we first started talking about tribe, you know, over a year ago, it is grown arms and legs and you know, another thing that we really, really wanted to incorporate into tribe was the fact that, yes, this membership is for women, but if we really want to create change, lasting change, then we're going to have to bring everyone on this journey with us. So that is male and females.
Kayleigh Bateman:So we also have programs running alongside the main core membership, which is actually for men, to really help to give them the tools that they need to be better leaders or to be better team members, to really help support women in their organizations Amazing, Because normally I spoke into a few men who work in tech and they said that a lot of that training tends to be things that they're not allowed to say and that's kind of the training is very much don't say this and don't say that, and everything that you do is wrong and actually treating them more as an ally and showing them how to be a better leader. I mean you must have great success from that. You know, the feedback from the men must be really positive that just want to get involved.
Lauren Windebank:Yeah, and I think Meg and I actually were both very fortunate that we had sort of male role model, role models and sponsors who allowed us to get to where we are today, and so it was quite important to us that. You know, there's a lot of men out there who want to support women, they want to be an ally, but they just don't know necessarily how to shine a shine a spotlight on females. And so for us, you know, our sort of mission was really to create, you know, more women in leadership in male dominated industries. And how do we all work together to create that positive change? So we target mainly sort of mid to senior upwards females, because a stat that we came across when we were sort of researching you know a lot about the industry, was that 50% of females abandoned their tech career by age 35.
Lauren Windebank:And obviously, working in the recruitment space, I could naturally see the drop off and the lack of female talent. So we knew there was a retention issue and we knew that something needed to be done. So in most cases we partner with organizations who, you know, utilize that LSD budget and want to create positive change and, you know, form that culture so that we can help. You know see more women, progress in. You know not only tech but other male dominated industries and you know essentially create more women in leadership.
Kayleigh Bateman:Yeah, and a lot of that. You mentioned retention there, because there are two problems bringing females into the industry and retaining them, and and that leads into a little bit about the benefits of you know wanting to ask you about the benefits of network and finding your own community. We should. Some of that leads into retention and feeling sometimes like you're not the only one that's feeling a certain way and you know community kind of all feeds into that, doesn't it? The benefits of it?
Megan Stovell-Bone:Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely. And it's really about when you're part of a community of, let's say, a part of a community of like-minded women. It really helps to create that sense of belonging, which is so important, especially if you're working for a larger organization and within tech, a lot of organizations are predominantly remote working as well. So having that community, it just gives you that safe space and it helps you to feel supported. And when you feel supported, you feel like you can really push yourself outside with your own comfort zone. We have this saying in tribe, which is it's the power of the collective. So, by bringing everyone together, it's amazing what you can do. It's incredibly powerful.
Kayleigh Bateman:Yes, definitely, and online, no. How can a listener get the most of networking? First, networking comes in lots of different forms as well, doesn't it? Online, in person, and meetings have been very different since COVID. Suddenly, in person meetings are back in person events. How can our listeners get the most of growing their network?
Lauren Windebank:Yeah, I think I'll draw on a personal sort of experience here, and I think some people hear the term networking and they instantly see it as like a daunting experience or the unknown. And I think, actually, if you look at, what are the areas that they do purposeful networking, what are the areas that I really would love supporting? Who are the people that I would love around me to bring me up and to learn from? And obviously networking can look in many different forms. You've got internal networking within your own organization. You've got external networking events and things like that.
Lauren Windebank:Then you've also got online networking, so, for example, linkedin and really looking at who's in my sort of strategic network. So I just think there's so many different ways that networking can benefit you and it's firstly about understanding what the purpose is behind you wanting to network which will enable you to do that purposeful sort of reach out to people, whether that be you're looking for a mentor you're looking for if you're tribe, or you're looking for people within your own organization that you can learn from or maybe discuss common challenges with. I think it's always good to feel like you have that support system, no matter how that looks for you, and it's to look at really what you want to get out of it in the first place, not just aimlessly using the term networking and just attending events with no real purpose of what you want to achieve out of it.
Kayleigh Bateman:Yes, I love that, Because how many events, and we've all done it you turn up, don't really talk to anyone, or you talk to the wrong people and you don't really get much out of it and that doesn't encourage you to keep networking and keep finding those connections. And you're right, networking is internal networking and external networking and I think sometimes we forget that. And, as you said, if you have a purpose and you know what you're going for, that just makes it so much easier than a blanket, you know, linking, connect, connect, connect until they, you know, put a block on you and put you in jail or whatever it may be. But yeah, having a purpose for your networking is such good advice. Megan yourself, have you got any advice on how can our listeners get the most out of their networking? Do you think?
Megan Stovell-Bone:Yeah, I think it's going back to Lauren's point about just understanding what you want from that. So say, if you're going into an event, it's making sure that you have a goal, you know what you want out of it. I'm quite introverted, so when I go to an in-person event I can be a little bit nervous. I'm the one that perhaps stands on the side and not as confident to go in. So what I've learned to do now is have a list of a few questions that I want to ask people and that just helps me just to go in a little bit more confident. Also, with Roel, I create myself like a little elevator picture almost in my head is who I am. So all of a sudden I'll start chatting to someone and I completely forgot my name, what I do, all kind of blanks. So it helps me just to have like a 30-second, almost like a little elevator picture of who I am, what I do and kind of what I want out of the conversation as well. So that really helps, really helps me.
Kayleigh Bateman:Yes, that's a really good tip, just to know, I think as well.
Kayleigh Bateman:When people ask you who you are and where you come from, you tend to say your name and your job title and that's it.
Kayleigh Bateman:And those job titles, well, don't always really scream what you do, and it's so much easier just to explain what it is that you do, rather than reading off some really long job title that just confuses people. But just having that 30 seconds and seeing actually what is my pitch and if somebody does ask me, what on earth do I do and why am I here Just having that prepared would be so important. I also love those events where they share the attendee list before and afterwards and then you can just if you are introverted and you don't find that you get talking to somebody, or even you don't talk to somebody in the queue for the toilets or whatever it may be at least you can connect with them on LinkedIn afterwards and say, hey, I attended this as well. What did you think? So it's so valuable when they do share out a guest list. That is super helpful for those that might not have the confidence to speak to everybody on the day.
Lauren Windebank:I think that has people to purposefully network as well, because you know who's going, so you almost can pinpoint who's maybe someone that I would benefit from speaking to or who would maybe benefit from speaking to me. Yes, exactly.
Kayleigh Bateman:And I think sometimes those connections that you do make, you don't always realise that actually they're going to be super helpful. She's down the line. They might not be beneficial for you at that moment in your career but then years later you suddenly think actually I met somebody who works in that area and does networking in any form is super helpful, especially in the women in tech community. We're seeing more and more internal networks, which is a great thing, but do you think these could be a step in the right direction to cracking diversity in tech?
Megan Stovell-Bone:Yeah, I really believe so.
Megan Stovell-Bone:I've been fortunate enough throughout my past five years in my current role to be part of the employee resource group that we have internally.
Megan Stovell-Bone:It's just an amazing place to whether you have a team that you go meet in person or, as I say, if you're a remote worker which a lot of people in tech are because you kind of feel like you have this little team inside your team to speak to and having these internal networks.
Megan Stovell-Bone:It goes back to that having that safe space and there's sometimes conversations that you want to have. You want to be able to talk to somebody who understands your challenges within your organisation but you don't really want to talk to your boss about it or you don't really want to talk to the person that sits next to you. But being able to have someone that can understand you and relate to you is so powerful. And, as I say as part of the ERG that I'm with internally, we're all different parts of the world, but we have a monthly meeting that we get together and, yeah, we can talk about everything everything from work to personal life and it just creates this really lovely culture that sometimes, if you don't have it outside, to have it like a little group is really good really good, yes, and it's surely more likely to make you think I'll stay at this company.
Kayleigh Bateman:I feel like I, but you mentioned earlier about that feeling of belonging and sometimes it can be the tiny thing that you might want to share with somebody that that can really make a difference to your day and the way that you feel at work. I completely agree. We just I love the way that you described it as a team within a team, which is exactly that. Just sometimes, especially with remote working, it can feel very lonely, not having people to share that with, and I can't tell you how many conversations we've had on here and our webinars about imposter syndrome and as soon as you share that with somebody and they say, oh no, I feel exactly the same way. It just makes you feel so much better to think someone else's feeling like an imposter.
Kayleigh Bateman:Not just me and just to hear it from somebody else that works in your company can make the world of difference that we're all feeling that way.
Lauren Windebank:Yeah, I think as well, especially if you're working in quite a male dominated company and you maybe got a female ERG. It again comes back to that safe sort of space and also just to feel like you've at least got room to talk about some of the challenges that just specifically females might face working in a male dominated industry. Some of those women might have children and again that brings a whole new array of challenges trying to balance career progression and running and managing a family. So I just think they're critical really for the retention piece as well.
Kayleigh Bateman:Yes, yes, definitely. I would agree with the word critical there and obviously, as you said, women have different challenges and just to hear it from somebody else and some advice from somebody else on how they dealt with those challenges along the way as well, it could be so helpful to your everyday. Lauren, you mentioned a little bit earlier about mentoring and sponsorship. I mean, I wanted to ask you mentoring is another important aspect of community, but what are your best tips for mentees looking for a mentor? Just walk straight up to somebody and say, hey, will you be my mentor?
Lauren Windebank:Yeah, I'm going to work. No, and again, I think it first boils down to a bit of self reflection. What are you looking to achieve? If it's something you want to progress in a certain area or you want to, I don't know. Have a bit more spotlight, sean, on you and your organisation. What is it, firstly, that you're trying to achieve yourself? What are your personal goals? And then try and look.
Lauren Windebank:There's numerous places you can look for a mentor, whether that be internally, whether that be, again, externally. So I think, firstly decide what it is you want to achieve and then try and look in your immediate network. Is there anyone that is within my organisation or within, I don't know my friendship group, my LinkedIn network that I could go out to to ask for support on this specific area? If you don't have anyone, it's okay.
Lauren Windebank:Maybe come back to that networking piece and start to find someone that maybe has the relevant job title, that has progressed from where you are today to where they are and you want to find out what was their pathway, how did they progress and what were the steps that they have taken to get there. And ask the question. Have make that connection, build the relationship, because I do believe that most you know mentee mental relationships excel. When you've sort of got that trust there, you know that relationship formed and actually sort of a clear value exchange. What else could they potentially learn from you? You know the power of reverse mentoring. But I think you need to firstly look at what you want to achieve before just you know mass messaging or asking just anyone if actually they're not gonna help you achieve whatever your set goal is.
Kayleigh Bateman:Yes, I love that Having a purpose and the fact that you mentioned the value as well, because you are right. I'm sure there are so many people that reach out to mentors and they have a couple of coffees and that's kind of it. If there's no structure to it, it's not gonna continue, you're not gonna. Neither of you are actually gonna get much value out of building that relationship, other than saying I once had a copy with someone that was kind of a mentor. So you need to express you know to them as well what is the purpose of this, what do I want to get from it? And, as you said, reverse mentoring, which was a phrase that I heard on here recently. I was absolutely brilliant learning from each other and just being open and transparent about what you both really want to get from the relationship. Obviously, megan yourself, do you have any tips for mentees looking for mentors? Have you struggled to find a mentor in the past or how did you do that?
Megan Stovell-Bone:I think one of the things I learned was actually not just to have don't just be focusing on, I mean just one mentor. You can have multiple different mentors that all serve a different purpose. So I myself, personally, within my organization, I have two mentors, one who came, you know, that happened quite authentically we were working on a project together and two totally different teams that were working on a project together and we just realized actually we had a lot in common outside of work. And I started, as Lauren says, it's just built that trust with her as almost like a friend. And then I posed the question. I said, you know, will you be my mentor? Because I also looked at her pathway and I thought, okay, this is something that's really inspiring.
Megan Stovell-Bone:And then, you know, we set up a meeting every two weeks. We made sure that that was in the diary. You know she was on a different time zone to me, but like right, two o'clock every Wednesday, that was our meeting and sometimes we'd have an agenda, sometimes we would just have half an hour to chat, but by having that cadence set really helped. And then, alongside that, I then had a mentor who, you know, he was part of the organization but he has a really good coaching background and he really helped me in another area and I was able to meet with him in person because he was in my office and then we kind of had that in person catch up, kind of once a month or more ad hoc, if we're by the grab and a coffee or something like that. So yeah, it never, never feel like it just has to be one mentor and it has to be very, you know, very, really structured and quite that you know it can form our friendships. So yeah, just to have just be quite open minded with it as well.
Kayleigh Bateman:Yes, and you are right.
Kayleigh Bateman:I think people think it's quite formal to ask for a mentor and that your relationship back and forth is going to be quite formal, especially if it's internal and it's come through a mentoring program where you've kind of been matched. You might not even know each other, but you've been matched on skills. You know that your company thinks that this person is going to help you in some way. I just said it doesn't always form out of friendships, so I love that just having different mentors for different purposes can help so much that you don't have to have just one. And, megan, you mentioned a little bit earlier about being introverted and I myself have the same problem when I go to networking events, because it's always a bit daunting entering a room on your own. Do you have any networking tips for our listeners when you have to walk in and feel a little bit like I'm here for a networking event but I don't really feel like networking today?
Megan Stovell-Bone:Yeah. So, as I said, it's all about really setting what you want from that event, who you want to go and see. I always, as I said, do the elevator pitch. Have that clear in my head.
Megan Stovell-Bone:One thing that I also learned a lot, especially being a woman in tech and you know, as with my pathway into tech, it wasn't the most traditional.
Megan Stovell-Bone:I'm not a techie, so there's been times where I've been at a networking event which is full of techies and I've gone oh my gosh, I cannot talk this language and that then triggers that imposter syndrome of going I should be here and actually what I learned to do was to that it's okay not to be able to talk for talk, and instead of feeling like, oh, I've got to try and speak the same language if I just went and started to talk to somebody about something that I am confident about, which is perhaps things I enjoy doing I love hiking, I love going away in the camper van and I started to try and build a relationship that actually wasn't and a conversation that wasn't about work, that was also a really good way to connect with people. So, yeah, if you are introverted or you have that imposter syndrome and you find yourself in a room where it's a little bit daunting. It's okay just to be yourself and just talk and I guarantee you will build those connections and be able to have really good networking. Just on that.
Kayleigh Bateman:Yeah, I love that and I think also just starting those conversations about things that you love, you probably also started to realise that not everybody in that room is technical and sometimes it's just something that we think that everybody who works in tech is going to be technical. And I'm standing in a room full of techies and I dent saying anything to anyone and actually when you start talking, there's lots of different roles that people are doing at companies and there might be product managers or some really good communicators about business problems and how their job in tech really brings about impact, and they're not actually there as one of the techies. So it's always interesting to see when you do walk up to somebody in a room and start talking to them, you realise actually you're not as technical as I thought you were going to be, but great to start conversations on just things that you love. It is a really good piece of advice. And, lauren yourself, do you have any networking tips for our listeners?
Lauren Windebank:Yeah, I think, just as a general acceptance of it's likely that I'm going to feel uncomfortable, but I'm not the only one. There will be other people in that room that are going to be feeling exactly like you. And I don't know about some of the listeners, but for me, when I've seen real areas of growth in my life, it's when I put myself in uncomfortable situations which have then made a return. So it's really about going in with that purpose.
Lauren Windebank:I always come in back to that and even if you have to do little bite-sized things that just help you overcome your own sort of battles you're having in your mind okay, today I'm going to speak to three people, just set yourself little bite-sized goals and then when you go to the next event you might increase that etc. And just know that you're going to a networking event to network. And if it's another purpose where you're listening to talks or sometimes that isn't the purpose, to speak to people but if you are attending a mainly networking event, it's okay. How do I break this down so it doesn't seem so scary? Yes, there might be a lot of people there that I've never met before. You know, maybe you're an introvert like Meg and actually you're a bit nervous to start that conversation, so set yourself little mini targets and just make sure to remind yourself you're not the only one that will feel that way.
Kayleigh Bateman:Yes, and I love that you used the word bite-sized. You are correct. I think we seem to think that when you look at the CEO, the high-flying BMAL CEO is incredibly connected and you see she posts something on LinkedIn and she gets 400 comments in about an hour, but you kind of think maybe she built that overnight. She obviously didn't build that overnight. It was done in bite-sized chunks, as you said, and that networking was done one person at a time and if you start to break it down in that way, it's not as daunting.
Kayleigh Bateman:But it is really difficult when you I think nowadays we tend to compare ourselves to everybody and if you are comparing yourself to somebody that is really far ahead in their career and already done all of that networking, that's just not a good place to start. As you said, you just need to start with one person at a time and you make yourself feel a little bit uncomfortable and eventually you will progress. Obviously, we've said it takes a little while to find your tribe, as we say. We nearly had time to say, but I did want to ask you one last question about finding your tribe. Do you have any last words of wisdom on why our listeners should actively go and find their tribe. Megan. Should we start with you?
Megan Stovell-Bone:Yeah, do you know what it's just? It's so empowering to be in a space where you have like-minded people around you to support you, to be able to discuss challenges openly. It's just an incredible feeling, and the takeaways that you will get from having your own tribe is you'll get to learn from one another. It's amazing the ideas that can come out of it, the conversation, and you get new perspectives on challenges. It's an incredibly empowering experience once you find your tribe and I guarantee you will be with them for a long time as well. It's my own network that I've created around me. It's been years and it's just, yeah, it's incredibly empowering.
Kayleigh Bateman:Yes, I love that, and Lauren yourself.
Lauren Windebank:Yeah, I think over the past year I've done some really purposeful networking and that's enabled me again to find my tribe and create a bigger tribe around it, in terms of the tribe that Meg and I are building and the community we're building, and essentially there's pre-existing communities that you can enter that then enables you to be in a room or a virtual room, if you like, or a physical room of women that that network has been built over years, but you are now immersed in that community.
Lauren Windebank:You are now surrounded by people like you. Opportunities can come from that, whether that be employment opportunities, podcasts, panel discussions all things that will help you progress in your career. And I think that's my biggest learning lesson and I guess something that I really bang on about a lot is the power of networking and finding that tribe, the doors that it can open for you. It's just about giving it enough time and effort to actually then see what that can bring to you, not only to your professional life but to your personal life, especially if you're, like I said, a female working in tech where there's not many females in your organization. How do you find your tribe, which will see you get through some of the challenging times, but also empower you and positively challenge you to reach your full potential.
Kayleigh Bateman:Yes, definitely. And on that note, I would love to know as well can you share with us what's next for tribe? What do you plan to do next?
Lauren Windebank:Yeah, so we're going to continue to build our community. We're at the Women in Business and Tech Expo, so we're really looking forward to seeing a lot of people there, and for us, it's just about trying to create that positive change, trying to work with as many organizations as possible, to work with both men and women to create more opportunities for females to progress up into leadership.
Kayleigh Bateman:Yeah, I love it and I would love for you to come back at some point and share your journey with us. I'm sure our listeners have found today's conversation absolutely invaluable. Where can our ladies connect with you? What is the best way to get involved in what you're doing?
Lauren Windebank:So you can connect with us on LinkedIn. We do have a page on LinkedIn obviously our own personal profiles but also have a website which is linked to our LinkedIn page as well, where people can get more information on tribe or apply for a membership.
Kayleigh Bateman:Amazing. Thank you so much, megan and Laura, for taking the time to have a chat with us today. It's been an absolute pleasure, so thank you so much. Thank you, pamia, and to everybody listening, as always, thank you so much for joining us and we hope to see you again next time.
